o.O;;

[ReaperGirl]

If Something Must Be True For Us As Humans, To Exist Then It Is True Because We Exist.............. Humans, The Intelligent Life Forms Of This Planet Discovered The Laws Of Physics And Other Physical Constants And Throught Those Discoveries, Became Aware For The First Time Of The Existence Of A Universe Bound By Those Observations. Therefore, If The Humans On Earth Who Observed This Universe Had Not Evolved To Our Current Level There Would Be No One To Make Those Observations And Consequently, The Existence Of The Universe Would Remain Unknown.In Other Words, The Existence Of Humans Permits The Existence Of The Universe. This Would be The Reasoning From A Human Basis. Why Did The Universe Happen To be Created To Accommodate Human Life? If There Was A Slight Increase Or Decrease In Gravitational Constant Or Particle-Mass Ratios The Universe Would Most Likely Not Have Facilitated The Development of Such A Planet. Quite Frankly, I Do Not Believe That An Omniscient, Omnipotent God Created Humans.

[ReaperGirl]

and the other 10% are the ones im talking about

if we didnt who did?

you dont understand the train of thought on this D: normally no one does

:3 thats just the way i feel

and sure o.O if u want but im not much on religion xD DONT DRINK THE PURPLE KOOL AID @_@

[ReaperGirl]

:o wtf well u didnt tell me the other % x.x wait :3 so where u do fit in payo-kun ? :3

[ReaperGirl]

oh yea....forgot about that xD... D: so i dont fit in either :3 sw33t

[ReaperGirl]

lol....effing payo-kun...lol~!

[ReaperGirl]

D: Pffffft~!!!!

[ReaperGirl]

lol like someone else is gonna read this D: pfffft~!

[kento086]

pfffftt.... :-P

[Fighter]

how interesting??
but i do think that way
a lottttttt
but what really confuses me is time
what is "time"???
what was "time" before our solar system was created??
just a thought

[uberbaked]

This couldn't be a more HUMAN CENTRIC way of thinking though. do you really think that after all this time and all of evolution that the cosmos and all the creatures and atoms in it were created for humans to discover? what makes US the end product of evolution?

I think we discovered theses laws and these constants...and knowingly put a stop to evolution, thereby sealing our doom to live out the rest of our days, as the sole destroyer of that natural process.

[Fighter]

This couldn't be a more HUMAN CENTRIC way of thinking though. do you really think that after all this time and all of evolution that the cosmos and all the creatures and atoms in it were created for humans to discover? what makes US the end product of evolution?

I think we discovered theses laws and these constants...and knowingly put a stop to evolution, thereby sealing our doom to live out the rest of our days, as the sole destroyer of that natural process.

can you put a stop to evolution??
humans dont cause evolution, we are just a product of it
i dont see how we can stop something we dont control

[Greyscale]

Humans, animals, bacteria, we are all of equal importance to the universe.

The gravitational constant may be extremely delicate in the sense that any change could kill off the Human race, but that doesn't say anything if you think about it this way: Humans couldn't have survived if the gravitational constant was a fraction different. Just because it fits us, doesn't mean it evolved to support Human life. We fit the Earth, the Earth doesn't fit us. We evolve, the Earth (more or less) stays the same.

Earth can't be the only planet out there with life on it like ours. There are other planets and solar systems that we cannot reach, yet. I am confident there are civilizations out there way more advanced than ours. Likewise there are much more primitive ones.

[Trigger]

besides that....if there really was a "god" wouldn't there be either just one or many and not every culture's own versions of "god"

and come on....we didnt come here on 747's either

and why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?

and how could "god" exist after dinosaurs?

and why was the bible written hundreds of years after such events and not during?

and if you think about it, catholics really don't believe in one "god" because they replaced the multiple god theory with saints

and if there is a god why do the good people get screwed and the bad ones prosper?

and are we really that great now if we can't even reconstuct how the pyramids were actually created?

and why can't we make the stunning castles of centuries past but build modular pieces of crap that cost a fortune

and why are we so selfish to think we are the only intelligent life forms....we are destroying our own planet and not neutering the people who need to stop creating stupid people

oh yeah...and why can't we all just get along????

one more thing...if there is a "GOD" why does he need money???? He's not here to spend it so why not make church free because isn't being one with god more important than giving money to god????

and one more thing...why are child molesters allowed to be priests? Hello God???????????? *waiting for a response but no answer* yeah that's what I thought

Hip hip hooray to SCIENCE!!!!!!!!! (not to be confused with scientology)

[ReaperGirl]

jeeze i should have never started this thread o:

[Sinnister]

besides that....if there really was a "god" wouldn't there be either just one or many and not every culture's own versions of "god" God is with a capital "G" and there is only one PERIOD.....

and come on....we didnt come here on 747's either Absurd

and why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the bible? So you don't believe in God--Yet you believe in dinosaurs:laughing:

and how could "god" exist after dinosaurs? God's existence is timeless and undeniable

and why was the bible written hundreds of years after such events and not during? Wow --- The Bible again capital "B" was compiled from scriptures that were written at the time when such events occurred. It wasn't till much later that officials of the church decided to compile one book "The Bible" Although there are many other scriptures, not written in The Bible.

and if you think about it, catholics really don't believe in one "god" because they replaced the multiple god theory with saints Some Churches like many enterprises prey on beliefs for profit

and if there is a god why do the good people get screwed and the bad ones prosper? If you read The Bible these questions will all be answered

and are we really that great now if we can't even reconstuct how the pyramids were actually created? The pyramids weren't created they were built

and why can't we make the stunning castles of centuries past but build modular pieces of crap that cost a fortune Its not that we cant , but rather no one will or cares to

and why are we so selfish to think we are the only intelligent life forms....we are destroying our own planet and not neutering the people who need to stop creating stupid people We are not the only intelligent life form

oh yeah...and why can't we all just get along???? We would if we all read and understood The Bible

one more thing...if there is a "GOD" why does he need money???? He's not here to spend it so why not make church free because isn't being one with god more important than giving money to god???? God's Kingdom is not of this world and therefore this world's money is useless

and one more thing...why are child molesters allowed to be priests? Hello God???????????? *waiting for a response but no answer* yeah that's what I thought Well think again and read The Bible if you have this many questions.. there you will find more answers

Hip hip hooray to SCIENCE!!!!!!!!! (not to be confused with scientology) Without God your science would be useless

[pissesinthewind]

besides that....if there really was a "god" wouldn't there be either just one or many and not every culture's own versions of "god" God is with a capital "G" and there is only one PERIOD.....

and come on....we didnt come here on 747's either Absurd

and why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the bible? So you don't believe in God--Yet you believe in dinosaurs:laughing:

and how could "god" exist after dinosaurs? God's existence is timeless and undeniable

and why was the bible written hundreds of years after such events and not during? Wow --- The Bible again capital "B" was compiled from scriptures that were written at the time when such events occurred. It wasn't till much later that officials of the church decided to compile one book "The Bible" Although there are many other scriptures, not written in The Bible.

and if you think about it, catholics really don't believe in one "god" because they replaced the multiple god theory with saints Some Churches like many enterprises prey on beliefs for profit

and if there is a god why do the good people get screwed and the bad ones prosper? If you read The Bible these questions will all be answered

and are we really that great now if we can't even reconstuct how the pyramids were actually created? The pyramids weren't created they were built

and why can't we make the stunning castles of centuries past but build modular pieces of crap that cost a fortune Its not that we cant , but rather no one will or cares to

and why are we so selfish to think we are the only intelligent life forms....we are destroying our own planet and not neutering the people who need to stop creating stupid people We are not the only intelligent life form

oh yeah...and why can't we all just get along???? We would if we all read and understood The Bible

one more thing...if there is a "GOD" why does he need money???? He's not here to spend it so why not make church free because isn't being one with god more important than giving money to god???? God's Kingdom is not of this world and therefore this world's money is useless

and one more thing...why are child molesters allowed to be priests? Hello God???????????? *waiting for a response but no answer* yeah that's what I thought Well think again and read The Bible if you have this many questions.. there you will find more answers

Hip hip hooray to SCIENCE!!!!!!!!! (not to be confused with scientology) Without God your science would be useless

Why do you believe in (presumably) the Abrahamic God, but not Zeus, Vishnu, Brahma, Santa Claus, Sauron, Unicorns or the idea that world is supported on an elephant which in turn is supported by a turtle? As much literature has been written about those concepts as have been for God. Claiming that the Bible is true simply because God says so and that God is true because the Bible says so is nothing more than a tautology. In the end, you and I are both atheists. It's just that I am atheist about one more deity than you are.

I would be interested in understanding your relationship to/interpretation of the Bible. Do you believe in the literal stories told in the Genesis (e.g. 6 day creation, Garden of Eden, extreme age of the various characters, etc)? What good lessons are to be learned in the various of Biblical accounts that demonstrate God's (and his followers) racism, bigotry, misogyny, intolerance and general hate and, dare I say it, evilness?

I cannot think of one significant book in either the Jewish or Christian canons that was actually written by the purported author, much less at the same time as when the events described within occurred. If we think about the most basic tenets one must believe to be considered a Christian, none of those events were recorded during the time it happened. Take, for example, the Ten Commandments. Moses supposedly lived sometime during the 13th or 12th centuries BC, however most scholars believe that Exodus, which contains the main Protestant version of the 10 Commandments, was not finalized until the 5th century BC (with the multiple, individual sources derived from about the 9th century BC). Similarly, take the story of Jesus, whose life, death and resurrection are probably of utmost importance to Christians. Most details of this is contained within the 4 Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. However, none of these Gospels were written during the life (or even immediately after the death of Jesus). In fact, they were actually written by anonymous scholars from second hand information, having derived information from each other (e.g. Matthew and Luke both have passages that were taken word for word from Mark) (lookup 'synoptic problem' for more info). The inaccuracy of such documentation cannot be underestimated. Imagine, for example, if we were today attempting to accurately understand the Revolutionary War based solely only on oral tradition - what our parents told us.


I'll close with a ridiculous, yet accurate definition for Christianity:

The belief that a walking dead Jewish deity who was his own father although he always existed, commits suicide by cop, although he didn't really die, in order to give himself permission not to send you to an eternal place of torture that he created for you, but instead to make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood, and telepathically promise him you accept him as your master, so he can cleanse you of an evil force that is present in mankind because a rib-woman and a mud-man were convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. -- Anon.

[Sinnister]

Why do you believe in (presumably) the Abrahamic God, but not Zeus, Vishnu, Brahma, Santa Claus, Sauron, Unicorns or the idea that world is supported on an elephant which in turn is supported by a turtle? As much literature has been written about those concepts as have been for God. Claiming that the Bible is true simply because God says so and that God is true because the Bible says so is nothing more than a tautology. In the end, you and I are both atheists. It's just that I am atheist about one more deity than you are.------Perhaps you missed the previous answer and the period.--(God is with a capital "G" and there is only one PERIOD.....)

I would be interested in understanding your relationship to/interpretation of the Bible. Do you believe in the literal stories told in the Genesis (e.g. 6 day creation, Garden of Eden, extreme age of the various characters, etc)? What good lessons are to be learned in the various of Biblical accounts that demonstrate God's (and his followers) racism, bigotry, misogyny, intolerance and general hate and, dare I say it, evilness?---Yet another already answered question---(read The Bible if you have this many questions.. there you will find more answers)

I cannot think of one significant book in either the Jewish or Christian canons that was actually written by the purported author, much less at the same time as when the events described within occurred. If we think about the most basic tenets one must believe to be considered a Christian, none of those events were recorded during the time it happened. Take, for example, the Ten Commandments. Moses supposedly lived sometime during the 13th or 12th centuries BC, however most scholars believe that Exodus, which contains the main Protestant version of the 10 Commandments, was not finalized until the 5th century BC (with the multiple, individual sources derived from about the 9th century BC). Similarly, take the story of Jesus, whose life, death and resurrection are probably of utmost importance to Christians. Most details of this is contained within the 4 Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. However, none of these Gospels were written during the life (or even immediately after the death of Jesus). In fact, they were actually written by anonymous scholars from second hand information, having derived information from each other (e.g. Matthew and Luke both have passages that were taken word for word from Mark) (lookup 'synoptic problem' for more info). The inaccuracy of such documentation cannot be underestimated. Imagine, for example, if we were today attempting to accurately understand the Revolutionary War based solely only on oral tradition - what our parents told us.----Jusus Christ is this guy on crack, is he Joking or is he just plain Stupid----(He is plainly an idiot) Signed Jesus..


I'll close with a ridiculous, yet accurate definition for Christianity:

The belief that a walking dead Jewish deity who was his own father although he always existed, commits suicide by cop, although he didn't really die, in order to give himself permission not to send you to an eternal place of torture that he created for you, but instead to make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood, and telepathically promise him you accept him as your master, so he can cleanse you of an evil force that is present in mankind because a rib-woman and a mud-man were convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. -- Anon.---Forgive him Father for he is an IDIOT and knows not what he say's---
:gn:

[pissesinthewind]

------Perhaps you missed the previous answer and the period.--(God is with a capital "G" and there is only one PERIOD.....)

---Yet another already answered question---(read The Bible if you have this many questions.. there you will find more answers)

----Jusus Christ is this guy on crack, is he Joking or is he just plain Stupid----(He is plainly an idiot) Signed Jesus..

---Forgive him Father for he is an IDIOT and knows not what he say's---
:gn:

Thanks for your intelligent reply. It is very Christ-like. :confused:

[Trigger]

LMAO

I totally forgot about this...

The Bible is a book with MANY different versions and not all Jewish words have English translation so interpretation needed to be applied but that all depends on the specific interpretor.

I don't have to believe in dinosaurs...there are bones to prove their existence but since only creatures known about at that time are mentioned in the Bible, it leads me to suspicion.

If there was only one GOD why didn't he assert himself from the very beginning and not after all these other beliefs. Babel was a story that had to be created to combat this question.

Y'all can believe in what you want but religion on all levels is used to answer questions people cannot comprehend or for people who will not believe science. What goes against the Church, they have a way of making any stories that went against their thinking disappear or those stories were not allowed in the finished Bible...come on if it's the word of GOD like they say why don't they allow all the stories in it whether or not they might contradict each other or go against what they may be trying to instill the mass of people?

I would take the Bible as fact if it was published as a work of artful manuscript and not as a proproganda piece where certain authors were not allowed in the book back when it was constructed and when these lost scrolls were found, they should have been added not kept out of the Bible because sorry King James has nothing on Jewish Bible...I can't believe something where the translation is so skewed but the people who were behind it were geniuses because they got millions of people to believe them. Now if they only worked on getting rid of the scum of the earth, their talents would have been far more useful.

Anyways, Sinnister I respect your opinion but I have to side with pisses because calling him or me an idiot just because we don't believe what you do is your own opinion but that is not the way to make a nonbeliever into a believer.

I also do believe in a Higher Power but it's far greater than GOD or Zeus or any of them. The universe is infinite as far as our technology can detect right now and the creation of planets, solar systems, black holes etc. are all visible to people. Is it so bad that we are created from cosmic dust...I bet more Christians would be happier with that than the monkey theory because we as humans have this superiority complex about the rest of the world basically. We are no better than another creature, we are different form of existence that might seem better than something else but we have our downfalls as humans as well.

You all can conform your beliefs to say well God created the universe but do you notice how Man supersedes the universe and the rest of the creatures instead of talking about the creation of the planets, then the lifeforms before humans into eventually humans and everything as we know it? The fact that the chronology is blatantly skewed means that the writers and/or final editors had a purpose to making this superiority complex to all else and perhaps could have slowly led to the state we are in now of pollution and overpopulation because the Bible didn't teach us to truly co-exist with the rest of Nature.

If a psychologist were to sit down with each species, we would be grouped as whole as control-freaks because we have to control everything and what we can't frustrates us. We can never control Mother Nature as it is called which only proves to me how we are just on integral piece of life, not the dominant life force and we just need to accept our places in Life and not have believe in the Bible to keep our minds in a superior state of mind.

[UnKnowN]

This got heavy......maybe we should all :PDT_Xtremez_24: and give each other a :hug:.

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I am not one to try and convince anyone what to believe mostly because I feel that if I have to try and prove to you what I feel in my heart is right, the whole aspect of sharing that ideal is lost in the convincing. You have to find it for yourself.

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I agree.

After reading all of this, I feel like giving everyone a hug and slowly give the mouse to play some CSS.

And I will leave it at that.

[Payo]

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But this thread is supposed to be about Physics NOT Religion!